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I suppose I should get a Universe icon. Hmm. This will take some thought—more than I'm willing to give it tonight.
Complaints first (because I just can't help myself):
• That was a waste of Daniel! I realize Jack trusts Daniel totally—but he obviously trusted a whole team of other guys who were there to rush in when it was far too late. Don't use the archaeologist to tail the scientist. Not only is he not trained for that, I don't think that's even a skill he had an opportunity to pick up on SG-1! Jack should have used someone not even Rush would recognize, since he was a little suspicious of Rush.
* Here's the bloophole that threatens to bring the whole episode down: okay, they don't know that the Lucian Alliance can use Rush to dial the Destiny, take it over, and kill everyone on board. They do, however, know that Rush's life is in danger. They also have reason to believe Rush is necessary for the survival of everyone on Destiny. What information they could get out of Telford isn't worth Rush's life, and it's certainly not worth the life of everyone on the ship. They have no reason to think Telford has learned anything significant that he has not had a chance to pass on to the Lucian Alliance, so letting Telford go stinks, but it doesn't compromise the SGC or Destiny any more than it has been compromised.
I have a real problem with Jack not pulling the plug on this op. I want the Jack we saw in that deleted scene from the premiere: the one who screams in Rush's face about not getting the civilians out of there. Jack needs to protect Rush and the others, and the way to do that is to let Telford go and get Rush safely back, not play chicken with a Telford who has obviously had his head rearranged.
Feel free to argue with me on this.
Good stuff:
• I can't believe how much my feelings for Rush and the show have turned around! Those two must be related. Now that Rush isn't simply a complete jerk who doesn't care if anyone else dies, but instead a messed-up jerk who works hard to keep people alive, I have far more interest in the show. I don't wish Rush were dead. (I'd happily walk Young out the nearest airlock, however.) I want them to save him!
• I'm torn on Scott telling Camile what was happening. On the one hand, he shouldn't have disobeyed orders, and this ship can't afford idiots disobeying orders. On the other hand, I think he was totally right. Camile had a right to know. Young's a nut; he shouldn't have kept that information to himself. The people on Destiny need to know what's happening: Young may be a nut, but he isn't actually torturing and threatening to kill Rush (or at least not on purpose). He's torturing and threatening to kill the traitor who got many of their colleagues killed on Icarus and caused them all to end up here.
• I like that Camile keeps asserting the role she should have, and I love that she's not afraid of Greer even though he nearly killed her while hallucinating. I think Greer totally respects that, even if he's not going to budge an inch because of it. (Wonder what he said when Scott spilled the beans about Rush/Telford against orders?)
• I still love Eli. Just because.
• Even though I think they wasted Daniel, I was glad that Jack and Daniel got a few lines together.
• I like that they're tying the residual memories that no one else has experienced from the stones to whatever conditioning was used on Telford. I was bothered by the idea that anyone could get random memories at any time just because they'd used the stones.
• I loved the baby shower. I like Chloe offering support to TJ. I love the stuff people made for her and the baby. I'm beginning to get a sense of team and family that I didn't have before, and that's what makes Stargate for me.
Complaints first (because I just can't help myself):
• That was a waste of Daniel! I realize Jack trusts Daniel totally—but he obviously trusted a whole team of other guys who were there to rush in when it was far too late. Don't use the archaeologist to tail the scientist. Not only is he not trained for that, I don't think that's even a skill he had an opportunity to pick up on SG-1! Jack should have used someone not even Rush would recognize, since he was a little suspicious of Rush.
* Here's the bloophole that threatens to bring the whole episode down: okay, they don't know that the Lucian Alliance can use Rush to dial the Destiny, take it over, and kill everyone on board. They do, however, know that Rush's life is in danger. They also have reason to believe Rush is necessary for the survival of everyone on Destiny. What information they could get out of Telford isn't worth Rush's life, and it's certainly not worth the life of everyone on the ship. They have no reason to think Telford has learned anything significant that he has not had a chance to pass on to the Lucian Alliance, so letting Telford go stinks, but it doesn't compromise the SGC or Destiny any more than it has been compromised.
I have a real problem with Jack not pulling the plug on this op. I want the Jack we saw in that deleted scene from the premiere: the one who screams in Rush's face about not getting the civilians out of there. Jack needs to protect Rush and the others, and the way to do that is to let Telford go and get Rush safely back, not play chicken with a Telford who has obviously had his head rearranged.
Feel free to argue with me on this.
Good stuff:
• I can't believe how much my feelings for Rush and the show have turned around! Those two must be related. Now that Rush isn't simply a complete jerk who doesn't care if anyone else dies, but instead a messed-up jerk who works hard to keep people alive, I have far more interest in the show. I don't wish Rush were dead. (I'd happily walk Young out the nearest airlock, however.) I want them to save him!
• I'm torn on Scott telling Camile what was happening. On the one hand, he shouldn't have disobeyed orders, and this ship can't afford idiots disobeying orders. On the other hand, I think he was totally right. Camile had a right to know. Young's a nut; he shouldn't have kept that information to himself. The people on Destiny need to know what's happening: Young may be a nut, but he isn't actually torturing and threatening to kill Rush (or at least not on purpose). He's torturing and threatening to kill the traitor who got many of their colleagues killed on Icarus and caused them all to end up here.
• I like that Camile keeps asserting the role she should have, and I love that she's not afraid of Greer even though he nearly killed her while hallucinating. I think Greer totally respects that, even if he's not going to budge an inch because of it. (Wonder what he said when Scott spilled the beans about Rush/Telford against orders?)
• I still love Eli. Just because.
• Even though I think they wasted Daniel, I was glad that Jack and Daniel got a few lines together.
• I like that they're tying the residual memories that no one else has experienced from the stones to whatever conditioning was used on Telford. I was bothered by the idea that anyone could get random memories at any time just because they'd used the stones.
• I loved the baby shower. I like Chloe offering support to TJ. I love the stuff people made for her and the baby. I'm beginning to get a sense of team and family that I didn't have before, and that's what makes Stargate for me.
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I think Jack thinks its a bluff/plans it to be a bluff. I'm usnpoiled, but if they're playing this brainwashing like the kind that took ka'lel and teal'c, then they're doing the have to get to the point of death to survive. He wants to keep Telford AND Rush if he can, or maybe even turn Telford into a double agent. Remember, Telford is a valued member of his command, so he'd be worried about him too. Why Rush should still be kept at risk for this though? I agree that's weaker.
aww good stuff.
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True enough about wanting to get Telford back. I wish we'd seen some of Telford being a good guy, as apparently he was. This was the first time I had the sense that Young had ever been friends with or even respected Telford before! Greer was in the brig for assaulting Telford, right? Did we ever find out why Greer did that? Greer generally keeps a lid on his anger. He only hurts people when ordered or hallucinating.
I want them to make me care about Telford. They could make me care about Rush, so maybe they can (and I like Lou Diamond Phillips). I'm afraid they really don't want me to care about Telford, though, because then I'll think about Young using Telford's body for sex, and about Telford suddenly jumping back into his own body to find it having sex without him. That makes me angry, and I think they want me to forget that. (I wouldn't be surprised if the writers kind of want to forget that at this point, too, like they want to forget much of what they did with Lucius Lavin).
I want more of the good stuff and less of the bad!
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I think I tend to like Telford despite his issues because Young's been against him, and I've gotten to embrace that I don't like Young (despite the fact I think the writers want us to).
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*hugs*
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I do sincerely hope that we're not supposed to be sympathizing with Young, because I've really come to loathe him. He's a bully, a coward, a torturer and an attempted murderer who has no compunctions about sacrificing innocents (Chloe, on the alien ship) to maintain the public face of a hero and protector.
Telford and Rush ... yeah. I still wish that they didn't swap actors when they swap characters, because it would make some of the plot workarounds and moral workarounds so much more obvious. Like Young beating up Telford in Rush's body (though, as mentioned earlier, I already hate Young, so it's not like it made me hate him more -- I don't think that's possible). I really could see no logical reason except plot necessity why they wouldn't swap out Rush; like you said, it's not as if they would end up more compromised, and Telford should be the one to take the heat and the risk, not Rush. Of course, for Young, if Rush gets killed it's just another plus, so I can see why he'd do it (see above re: hating Young), but Jack going along with it ... well, as in most of his SGU appearances, it's pod!Jack again, the guy who lets the SGC walk all over civilians and engage in booty calls with other people's bodies.