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aelfgyfu_mead Feb. 12th, 2009 07:03 pm)
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First, something a little tangential but related through RaceFail '09: I've been thinking a lot about when one has a responsibility to speak up and when it's just no use to reply to someone saying horrible things. I've also been thinking about the "I can say what I want" defense, "it's just words," and "if you don't like it, don't read it". I found essay online. It's in an academic context, about teaching ethics to students, but it deals with questions of who should intervene and under what circumstances, and why words have real force and can be aggression:
James Porter, "The Exercise of Critical Rhetorical Ethics". This is on Google Books; I've never tried posting a link to a chapter there before, so I can't promise it will work.
Today Brilliant Husband got a book in the mail addressed to "Resident," which was already odd. It's called The Enemy Unmasked. Guess who the enemy is? The Catholic Church! And so soon after I'd said that real discrimination against Catholics had all but died out! It's kind of funny, really--until Chapter 2, "The Illuminati-Jewish Front." That is so not funny.
I'm posting partly to see if anyone else on my flist has received one. I also want to say a little bit about this outrageous book and how I was wrong to think anti-Catholicism nearly dead. (I knew anti-Semitism wasn't.)
I'm not sure it's proper even to call The Enemy Unmasked a "book"; it's a really long pamphlet. It's a paperback, 151 pages, copyright 2006 by Truth Triumphant (Eustis, FL 32727). It has no ISBN (as an apologist pointed out--that's the old sense of apologist, someone who defends the faith), and in looking for a website, I found one that immediately declares it has nothing to do with this publisher.
Here's the TOC, for the curious:
1: Divine Hand Over the United States . . . 5
2 The Illuminati-Jewish Front . . . 19
3 Criminal Bankers . . . 31
4 Thaddeus Stevens . . . 46
5 Tightening the Noose . . . 61
6 The CFR: Another Jesuit Front . . . 75
7 Vietname: Why Did We Go . . . 87
8 Won't They Ever Stop Fighting? . . . 101
9 Treason in High Places . . . 111
10 War on Terror Planned 135 Years Ago . . . 122
11 The Hand that Still Intervenes . . . 133
12 Divine Hand Over the U.S. Removed . . . 145
What's scary is that it looks like a proper book. It's cheap and flimsy, but it has all kinds of quotations, with partial citations; the citations lack any date, so you can't tell some of these are centuries old, but this masquerades as a scholarly book.
I've breezed through parts of it. I stop when it starts hurting, because I'm not going to let this hurt me (and I hope I'm not hurting any of you by posting on it; feel free to stop reading). It's funny, up to a point. I mean, these slanders about the Catholic Church go back to before Edmund Spenser. The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon! The Pope wants to rule the world! The Jesuits are a secret organization, and they have their own assassins! (I said, "He could sell this and make money, like Dan Brown!") But now people know about the Jesuits, so the Illuminati are the true secret organization! George W. Bush, who was president when this was written, was under Catholic control; the Pope got him to pass the Patroit Act (unconstitutional!) and declare a War on Terror!
It's hysterical, in both senses of the word: the author is having a fit of hysteria, and I was in stitches at the notion of George W. Bush under the Pope's thumb.
I find it funny partly because, as I've said elsewhere, Catholics really don't experience a lot of discrimination anymore. It still exists, and it's wrong and very hurtful. I know someone who experienced this discrimination in a job interview not that long ago. Didn't get the job. Huge surprise. There are also the many little slights, from Protestants who think we Catholics (yes, I'm a practicing Catholic) are damned to hell to more secular friends and colleagues who think we're misguided, ignorant, and sometimes worse. Mostly, though, these things don't hurt me. I may feel a little sting, but I remind people that I am Catholic, not just born and raised Catholic but someone who chooses every day to continue to be Catholic, and they usually apologize. I got my job. I got tenure. I don't feel threatened. I don't worry for my daughter.
On the other hand, if a lot of people get hold of this book with quotations giving citations that look full (except for those pesky publication dates) and start believing this stuff, we could see a resurgence of anti-Catholic sentiment.
Worse: I did worry for my daughter just a little when she went to a Jewish preschool. It was a fantastic preschool; we would recommend it to anyone in a heartbeat. I had just a little fear that some nut might someday do something there. They took precautions, more than other preschools and daycares. If I was just a little afraid for her in preschool those few years--not enough to give into fear and put her elsewhere, but afraid--how would it be to be afraid in my own place of worship or my own home?
That's where this book gets very unfunny. It does declare that real Jews are not the enemy; in fact, it says, the Catholic Church wants to kill all Jews, because if there are no Jews, there won't be a Second Coming of Christ, and the Catholic Church can continue its reign on Earth forever. (That last clause is a bit funny, but the whole rest of the sentence makes it unfunny.)
The Illuminati (I kid you not, the book says that) are supposedly bankrolled by Jews. And--get this!--there are a bunch of fake Jews out there, like Alan Greenspan, Arlen Specter, and Henry Kissinger (Hughes 30) who pretend to be Jewish so that everyone will blame the Jews instead of the real culprits, the Jesuits!
This still gets too darned close to what I've heard called The International Jewish Conspiracy. A few people still believe in Catholic conspiracies and Jesuit assassins; people don't generally take them seriously. A lot more people believe in the International Jewish Conspiracy (or IJC, as a grad school buddy of mine calls it). People don't attack the homes or schools or churches of Catholics much at all anymore; it's quite rare. Attacks on Jewish homes or schools or synagogues or graveyards, however, still happen. A distinction between "real Jews" and "fake Jews" doesn't do anything to ameliorate the slanders being spread about Jews in this book, because, of course, one can't tell which are which, so it's not safe to trust any of them, right? (The slanders that public figures that they're not even really Jewish are beneath contempt.)
The Anti-Defamation League is probably the best site to visit if you want to learn about anti-Semitism and efforts to combat it, especially educational efforts. Anti-Semitism is alive and all too well. I'm not going to start a recitation of incidents here, because y'all don't need to hear it, do you?
At one level, I'm amused, because the accusations are so far off base they're silly; it reads like parody.
At a more serious level, I'm outraged. Someone can send this to me in my home? Someone can send all my neighbors something that says my Church seeks to destroy Protestantism and kill all Jews? Someone can send everyone something that says many Jews are really Jesuits pretending to be Jews and bent on wrecking the world economy and creating wars?
Apparently, someone can. That doesn't mean I'll keep silent about it.
If you get the book, please let me know--yes, I suppose it's just vulgar curiosity. If you hear people repeating stuff from it and want some facts to reply, please let me know that too, and I'll see what I can do.
James Porter, "The Exercise of Critical Rhetorical Ethics". This is on Google Books; I've never tried posting a link to a chapter there before, so I can't promise it will work.
Today Brilliant Husband got a book in the mail addressed to "Resident," which was already odd. It's called The Enemy Unmasked. Guess who the enemy is? The Catholic Church! And so soon after I'd said that real discrimination against Catholics had all but died out! It's kind of funny, really--until Chapter 2, "The Illuminati-Jewish Front." That is so not funny.
I'm posting partly to see if anyone else on my flist has received one. I also want to say a little bit about this outrageous book and how I was wrong to think anti-Catholicism nearly dead. (I knew anti-Semitism wasn't.)
I'm not sure it's proper even to call The Enemy Unmasked a "book"; it's a really long pamphlet. It's a paperback, 151 pages, copyright 2006 by Truth Triumphant (Eustis, FL 32727). It has no ISBN (as an apologist pointed out--that's the old sense of apologist, someone who defends the faith), and in looking for a website, I found one that immediately declares it has nothing to do with this publisher.
Here's the TOC, for the curious:
1: Divine Hand Over the United States . . . 5
2 The Illuminati-Jewish Front . . . 19
3 Criminal Bankers . . . 31
4 Thaddeus Stevens . . . 46
5 Tightening the Noose . . . 61
6 The CFR: Another Jesuit Front . . . 75
7 Vietname: Why Did We Go . . . 87
8 Won't They Ever Stop Fighting? . . . 101
9 Treason in High Places . . . 111
10 War on Terror Planned 135 Years Ago . . . 122
11 The Hand that Still Intervenes . . . 133
12 Divine Hand Over the U.S. Removed . . . 145
What's scary is that it looks like a proper book. It's cheap and flimsy, but it has all kinds of quotations, with partial citations; the citations lack any date, so you can't tell some of these are centuries old, but this masquerades as a scholarly book.
I've breezed through parts of it. I stop when it starts hurting, because I'm not going to let this hurt me (and I hope I'm not hurting any of you by posting on it; feel free to stop reading). It's funny, up to a point. I mean, these slanders about the Catholic Church go back to before Edmund Spenser. The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon! The Pope wants to rule the world! The Jesuits are a secret organization, and they have their own assassins! (I said, "He could sell this and make money, like Dan Brown!") But now people know about the Jesuits, so the Illuminati are the true secret organization! George W. Bush, who was president when this was written, was under Catholic control; the Pope got him to pass the Patroit Act (unconstitutional!) and declare a War on Terror!
It's hysterical, in both senses of the word: the author is having a fit of hysteria, and I was in stitches at the notion of George W. Bush under the Pope's thumb.
I find it funny partly because, as I've said elsewhere, Catholics really don't experience a lot of discrimination anymore. It still exists, and it's wrong and very hurtful. I know someone who experienced this discrimination in a job interview not that long ago. Didn't get the job. Huge surprise. There are also the many little slights, from Protestants who think we Catholics (yes, I'm a practicing Catholic) are damned to hell to more secular friends and colleagues who think we're misguided, ignorant, and sometimes worse. Mostly, though, these things don't hurt me. I may feel a little sting, but I remind people that I am Catholic, not just born and raised Catholic but someone who chooses every day to continue to be Catholic, and they usually apologize. I got my job. I got tenure. I don't feel threatened. I don't worry for my daughter.
On the other hand, if a lot of people get hold of this book with quotations giving citations that look full (except for those pesky publication dates) and start believing this stuff, we could see a resurgence of anti-Catholic sentiment.
Worse: I did worry for my daughter just a little when she went to a Jewish preschool. It was a fantastic preschool; we would recommend it to anyone in a heartbeat. I had just a little fear that some nut might someday do something there. They took precautions, more than other preschools and daycares. If I was just a little afraid for her in preschool those few years--not enough to give into fear and put her elsewhere, but afraid--how would it be to be afraid in my own place of worship or my own home?
That's where this book gets very unfunny. It does declare that real Jews are not the enemy; in fact, it says, the Catholic Church wants to kill all Jews, because if there are no Jews, there won't be a Second Coming of Christ, and the Catholic Church can continue its reign on Earth forever. (That last clause is a bit funny, but the whole rest of the sentence makes it unfunny.)
The Illuminati (I kid you not, the book says that) are supposedly bankrolled by Jews. And--get this!--there are a bunch of fake Jews out there, like Alan Greenspan, Arlen Specter, and Henry Kissinger (Hughes 30) who pretend to be Jewish so that everyone will blame the Jews instead of the real culprits, the Jesuits!
This still gets too darned close to what I've heard called The International Jewish Conspiracy. A few people still believe in Catholic conspiracies and Jesuit assassins; people don't generally take them seriously. A lot more people believe in the International Jewish Conspiracy (or IJC, as a grad school buddy of mine calls it). People don't attack the homes or schools or churches of Catholics much at all anymore; it's quite rare. Attacks on Jewish homes or schools or synagogues or graveyards, however, still happen. A distinction between "real Jews" and "fake Jews" doesn't do anything to ameliorate the slanders being spread about Jews in this book, because, of course, one can't tell which are which, so it's not safe to trust any of them, right? (The slanders that public figures that they're not even really Jewish are beneath contempt.)
The Anti-Defamation League is probably the best site to visit if you want to learn about anti-Semitism and efforts to combat it, especially educational efforts. Anti-Semitism is alive and all too well. I'm not going to start a recitation of incidents here, because y'all don't need to hear it, do you?
At one level, I'm amused, because the accusations are so far off base they're silly; it reads like parody.
At a more serious level, I'm outraged. Someone can send this to me in my home? Someone can send all my neighbors something that says my Church seeks to destroy Protestantism and kill all Jews? Someone can send everyone something that says many Jews are really Jesuits pretending to be Jews and bent on wrecking the world economy and creating wars?
Apparently, someone can. That doesn't mean I'll keep silent about it.
If you get the book, please let me know--yes, I suppose it's just vulgar curiosity. If you hear people repeating stuff from it and want some facts to reply, please let me know that too, and I'll see what I can do.
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Wow....
It's like "Protocols of Elders of Zion" take two, slightly different verse.
And, damn, you'd think if we had all this money to finance all these world-controlling operations my family would have a bit more to show for ourselves :)
Though, seriously, what gets me is just...someone thought this was important enough to take all the time and money to write this and print it up and mail it out. Why? Do they actually believe these outrageous lies? What is their actual goal in all of this? It just feels so very ridiculous and disgusting and just....gah.
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I didn't see any reference to the Protocols, but I can't read too much of it at any one time--I get upset.
And, damn, you'd think if we had all this money to finance all these world-controlling operations my family would have a bit more to show for ourselves :)
I know!
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Oh, I didn't mean reference to The Protocols. Just that it felt slightly similar in idea/content. And, yeah, it's probably not worth your blood pressure to continue reading it. Won't do anybody any good.
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Now, you know me. I'm non-religious in the extreme. I've raised my daughter to be non-religious as well. That said, I was delighted when she was invited to a friend's bat mitzvah (sp?). She's going to be on the 'honor courts' of two of her friends' 15-year-old parties (I can't even pronounce the correct word, much less spell it). While the latter isn't expressly religious, in my experience, families who practice this particular rite of passage tend to be strongly Catholic and it bleeds into the celebrations. I'm still very pleased that she's getting a chance to do this. Why? Aside from being able to share important times with her friends, it's a good education in acceptance (I've come to hate the use of 'tolerance' in this context) of other people's differences.
In short... I really don't *get* the mindset that gets so rabid about people who are different in some way. Our *differences* are what makes us interesting.
I need to go check my mail. I can't decide if I'd use the thing to line the cat box with or maybe type up a 'fact check' for the author and send it back to him. ;-)
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I suppose I could call and leave a word or two.... I just found the card. I don't really like confrontations, and I can't imagine he'd pay any darned attention to me, but maybe I could annoy him some small percentage as much as he horrifies me.
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On the other hand, it would probably give him more publicity than he deserves.
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It's certainly not in the league of RaceFail or even what my mother experienced growing up, but it's still alive and present. I don't talk about my faith any more than any other part of my "real life" in this fandom arena. But I don't keep it secret that I'm Catholic.
There are also the many little slights, from Protestants who think we Catholics (yes, I'm a practicing Catholic) are damned to hell to more secular friends and colleagues who think we're misguided, ignorant, and sometimes worse.
I've dealt with it myself (because Catholics aren't *really* Christian, don't you know) and comforted friends who've felt ostracized from it through misconceptions and arguments and just plain ignorant prejudice.
What's scary isn't the wtf of the junk that's being spewed. What's scary is that some people will believe it. That is truly sad.
BTW, talking about Small Child, I went to orthodox Jewish preschool. My mom always joked that when the Catholics wouldn't have me, the Jews took me in.
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I know anti-Catholic discrimination and even hate still exist, but I tend to think of it as being in isolated pockets, and usually involving older people who grew up that way.
No, it's not in the same league as RaceFail; one of the worst aspects of the latter is that I keep seeing it from educated, literate people who ought to know better, and women, who ought to know it hasn't been that long since they were treated the same way they're treating people of color! This appears to be a lone wacko who doesn't even have a website, and another Protestant ministry with a similar name clearly disavows his effort, which is some consolation.
Yet, as you say, some people will believe it, especially seeing it in print.
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As for the book, sheesh, you guys have all the fun down there! I'm all for speaking up, if only to put my two cents on record.
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Glad you liked the chapter.
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Were you born in the country? No.
You must be Catholic! :D"
I usually tell them that I'm from a small family, my Auntie had fifteen! :D
We have pretty good inter-faith meetings between our religious leaders. They get together all the time and support each other when needed.
Our religious freaks are the evangelical nutjobs like Danny Nalliah from Catch the Fires who said the bushfires are the work of God for decriminalising Abortion in Victoria.
I'm really sorry you got that book because you are a good person. I personally just don't have time for them.
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Better that I get the book, knowing that it's all false, than that people get it who will fall for it. Sadly, I'm sure some of those got it too.
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It's true that you have the intelligence to deal with a booklet like this, others won't. I'd chuck it straight in the bin if I got it. I don't even read those things.
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[ETA: This gets long (to the extent that I'm beginning to wonder ifI I'll hit two comments). And very, very, very waffley. And is apparently an excuse for me to talk, at length, about myself. I apologise. Profusely.]
Second half of post. I'm mostly reluctant to say anything. Mostly because I have very little interest in religion in terms of being religious. I was (and still am) quite happy to find out about religions (the main
45 - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and to some extent, Sikhism) in school and did the 'Real Life' booklets (in Primary School, for a few years, a guy came in once a month and gave a talk on some aspect of Christianity, and there was a series of workbook type things, and as you worked your way through them, over the months/years, you got bigger and bigger prizes) long after the rest of my class gave up. And I went to Sunday School when I was younger, and culturally I was/am Christian. (I don't go to church etc, but I do do Christmas, I automatically assume that people are off work on a Sunday, I can give you the basics of the bible, that sort of thing.)But I have absolutely no interest in being religious. I don't even know (care?) enough to figure out whether I'm atheist or agnostic (one believes there is no God, one believes that there isn't enough proof to prove or disprove. I can never get the definitions the right way round.) or, having found the link on wikipedia, whether Theism comes into the matter. Mostly my view of religion is, rightly or wrongly, "Religion gave us The Crusades, and then just kept on giving." (ie a significant number of wars have religion as the cause.)
Anyway, I have no idea why I thought the above was relevant. Perhaps as a little background, so you can see where I'm coming from.
I think what I mostly wanted to say was that I had absolutely no idea that there was anti-Catholic sentiment. As a child I knew I was 'Christian', but I didn't know there was flavours of Christianity until, hmmm, secondary school? (Have you read Anne of Green Gables? It was a revelation to me, some time in my 20's, to realise that the religions they were talking about in the series were all flavours of Christianity...) And I was about 16 before I figured out whether I was Catholic or Protestant. And it says a lot about the West of Scotland, that I figured it out due to listening to a conversation my class were having about Rangers and Celtic (Football (soccer?) teams). Which kinda leads me to my next thought.
TBC
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But all this is my way of saying that while I've seen the violence caused by rivalry between Catholics and Protestants, the violence has never been because the other is [Protestant/Catholic]; it's always been because the 'other' side wronged 'my' side. Does that make sense? It may not make sense, but each party felt they had been wronged by the other party and thus had a reason for their hate. It was never a case of hate simply for their existence/beliefs like (I think) you're describing in your post.
And this whole comment has been my very long winded way of saying while I've witness religious violence with Catholics involved, I never, not in my wildest dreams, thought that this kind of anti-Catholic sentiment existed. And it is very bizarre to me.
[And it's at this point that I could go on and discuss why, to some extent, both (all) the participants in RaceFail 09 (and previous versions) and the content annoys me. Not so much because I disagree, but for other reasons. And this really isn't the place for me to air my grievances.]
I apologise sincerely for my verbosity.
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I have absolutely nothing against you or anyone else practising their faith.
Except perhaps when one wants to blow people up. But realistically, that isn't one practising their faith. That's one being a crazy person.
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I know a bit about The Troubles in Ireland and their history; the roots go way back, into the Middle Ages even. I did not know the West of Scotland had the same or related problems, but they might well stem from the same historical causes. I'm also aware of football hooligans. We don't quite have that in the States.
As I understand it (reaching back to a History of Ireland course I took as an undergrad), the Troubles began as more political than religious, but with religious differences mapped on: England took control of Northern Ireland and brought in its own people, basically to rule them. With the Reformation, the rulers (who still thought of themselves as English) generally became Protestants, while most of the ruled (natives) remained Catholic. The largely English-descended Protestants remained in power and stayed or became wealthy; the Catholics, with Irish roots, remained largely out of power and became poorer. The Potato Famine exacerbated differences, I think. In 1921 (got the date from this Wikipedia article), Northern Ireland became an administrative region of the UK, and I believe that's when what we know as the Troubles really began as one side fought to unify Ireland (which would then be a majority Catholic country) and the other fought to keep the North separate, and aligned with the Crown. That's a really potted history, but I hope it's roughly accurate.
I do believe that most religious conflict isn't really about religion. The Pope who started the Crusades (one of the worst things the Church ever did) might have thought it was about religion, but the secular rulers who brought their armies were often about loot and grabbing land as much or more than religion. (There was a Christian kingdom in the Holy Land for a time, established by Westerners. Then there was the Crusade during which they sacked Constantinople, despite its being Christian, because that's where the money was.) Pogroms have strong religious hatreds, but they're often ignited by other specific causes. The Jews were expelled from England in 1290 partly (largely?) so that the crown didn't have to repay the money it owed to Jewish moneylenders (Christians weren't allowed to lend money at interest then). Today's Muslim extremists may quote the Quran, but a lot more Muslims reject their readings, and ethnic and socio-economic tensions weigh as heavily as religious ones. (Interestingly, some of the extremists are from very wealthy families; others, from very poor.)
Anti-Catholic sentiment has a long, strong history in the US, partly because a lot of those settling the colonies and then the nation were escaping religious persecution, sometimes in Catholic countries. Catholicism was also associated with what were then considered inferior races--yes, races--Italians and Irish weren't considered "white." Catholics faced legal discrimination into the twentieth century, and illegal discrimination sometimes still continues--my husband's grandfather certainly experienced it, his father suspects it was a factor in his stalled career, and my dad was told he'd never advance unless he converted. My friend had that horrific job interview in this millennium!
I don't think you need to apologize for verbosity given mine!
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Yes, I loved Anne of Green Gables! I grew up highly aware of different flavors of Christianity, though I can't tell you all the differences. My dad taught at a seminary--college to prepare Catholic priests--for many years.
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I've been afraid (being Wiccan myself) of having someone try to burn my apartment down - gods know I've recieved more than my fair sahring of 'saving material' to stop me 'evil ways'. But that's okay - most people consider my beliefs a fairytale or hoax at best... But yeah, religious hate - there is nothing like it!
My great grandfather fought against this kind of crap and he would be horrified and disappointed to find it still fresh and vivd in people's hearts.
I'm so sorry, honey...so very sorry...
*hugs you tight*
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*hugs*